What’s with all the downvotes?

Saw a few threads get blasted, and a de-federation post - did I miss the drama?

  • BrokebackHampton@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    I’m just so done with the topic. I don’t want to engage in lengthy internet debates that benefit no one and only serve to reinforce each person’s initial stance. I have no interest either in debating against or in favor of tankies.

    Although as far as my experience here on lemmy/kbin has been, the people who seem far more interested in making posts (not talking about this one) and constantly bring up the topic are anti-tankies. There seems to be a group of the community here that is fervently anti-tankie, and has to let everyone know at every chance how much they despise tankies and how evil tankies are and so on. These people are the most tiresome by far, at least in my experience, I have yet to come across any of the much dreaded tankie content. Maybe it’s because for some of the people in this group the mere fact (I don’t know how much of a fact is it and I honestly do not care) of the admins of lemmy.ml being tankies is enough to trigger their outrage and anger.

    I will say this, why are any of us placing so much focus (and for some, outrage) on some very niche groups of terminally online leftists, when there’s been a very scary rise of fascism worldwide, especially in Europe and US, that is currently getting worse? I can guarantee you this new wave of fascism enjoys far more popular support than Marxist-Leninists have, or ever have in western countries. Seems like worrying over the mosquito that’s biting your arm while there’s a polar bear mauling the other side of your body. (Before anyone tries the “but tankies support fascism” gotcha, you should know actual Marxist-Leninists outside of these terminally online spaces do not support the current Russian imperial oligarchy, maybe people should also get informed about the concept of critical support, which is still very debatable)

    I wish we had keyword filters on Kbin so I could be done with any and all content regarding the word “tankie”

    Edit: To the very nice people who felt the need, Reddit-style, of just downvoting me without even taking part in the conversation. This goes out to you all: https://youtu.be/8mpeixSXYVU

    • ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca
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      I’m just so done with the topic. I don’t want to engage in lengthy internet debates that benefit no one and only serve to reinforce each person’s initial stance.

      Yep. I’ve learned this long ago. No use getting into an internet fight. It’s not going to change anything but your mood

    • Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net
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      1 year ago

      How do I upvote you more than once?

      Not only is your argument well thought out, but your observations closley match those I’ve seen.

      I chronically search by all>new, and other than people reposting screenshots (from a month ago) of Grad’s outrage at being de-federated, I have yet to see tankie posts.

      Honestly, I think the two sides (tankie and anti tankie) are both teenager/20s looking at their side with rose coloured glasses.

      Have you heard of our bae communism? Never mind that ugly business in 1970s Cambodia tee hee.

      Have you heard about our bae Fascism? Franco did nothing wrong!

      • BrokebackHampton@kbin.social
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        Well for one I’m grateful to read at least someone thought it was a reasonable opinion because I’ve seem to have gotten a personal record of people mad.

        I thought we could be done with the Reddit-style attitude towards downvotes (especially with votes being public and all), I’m talking about people who are not even in the conversation and just happen to be lurking and downvote because they don’t like your comment or whatever. Such a lame thing to do.

        If you disagree with someone over the content of their comment you can reply with your thoughts. Save the downvotes for trolls, bad faith actors, people spewing hate speech (especially fascist rhetoric) and people who are aggressively argumentative to the point of being disrespectful. We can keep it civil if we exclude the usual suspects of hate and trolling.

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          if u disagree with someone over the content of their comment you can reply with your thoughts. Save the downvotes for trolls, bad faith actors, people spewing hate speech (especially fascist rhetoric) and people who are aggressively argumentative to the point of being disrespectful. We can keep it civil if we exclude the usual suspects of hate and trolling.

          I made a post about exactly this.

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      This is consistent with my experience. Haven’t seen any tankie content, but I’ve seen constant whining about commies from people who are still upset about the fall of Berlin.

    • JasSmith@kbin.social
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      I will say this, why are any of us placing so much focus (and for some, outrage) on some very niche groups of terminally online leftists, when there’s a been a very scary rise of fascism worldwide, especially in Europe and US, that is currently getting worse?

      I won’t be playing the game of what-aboutism. Authoritarianism is bad no matter where it appears. It exists on both sides of the political aisle, and it should be rebuked every time, regardless of how prevalent you think it is on your team.

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        I think they’re rebuking people for being hypocritical and not actually paying attention; like fascism really is the bigger danger rn, while most people in the US at least have like kneejerk negative reactions to the concept of communism

        like it is not a “both sides are equally bad” thing

      • BigMcLargeHuge@mstdn.social
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        1 year ago

        @JasSmith @Phyrin @BrokebackHampton

        Can you show me an example of a hard-leftist shoving their ideology down someone else’s throat?

        How about a Hard-Leftist that crafted, then got passed a law that restricts the choices of the hard-right?

        Are there numerous cases of Leftists driving through crowds or maybe shooting up a synagogue, that I’m unaware of?

        I’m not saying the Left is perfect, but I call bullshit on the equivocation of the 2 sides.