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    Weird hill to die on perhaps; but I’ll never forgive Microsoft for arbitrarily deciding not to support my Core i7 6700K 4Ghz CPU on Windows 11.

    Simply because: I cannot find a single actual technical reason why it wouldn’t be compatible (yes, my mobo also has TPM). It’s even higher specced than many other ‘supported’ chips.

    MS apparently just decided I hadn’t spent enough money lately. Well now I won’t - on your products - ever again, while this i7 will continue to run Win 10 for games and Linux for all else.

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      Gaming is great on Linux nowadays btw. I installed Fedora a few weeks ago and haven’t had a single problem with any of my games - I’m getting better framerates, too.

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      I’m in a similar boat. My computer meets all of the other requirements like TPM and whatnot, yet they are arbitrarily deciding that my processor is too old. And for some reason you can walk into your local computer store and buy a laptop with the shittiest processor and other specs possible that somehow runs Windows 11. Just because the processor on the new shitbox was manufactured more recently. Ridiculous.

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      I can’t get the more elaborate functions of my common Logitech mouse to work properly. And Linux systems like to cause my computer to periodically hang for some reason. In Windows, it used to BSOD, and I managed to fix the issue in Windows but it seems impossible for me to fix in Linux because of how vague of an issue it is.

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        Games aren’t much of an issue anymore, it’s the other software that keeps me from switching

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        I’ve been gaming on Linux for close to two years now. I believe there have been two games that actually caused some issues in getting them to run. But for the most part Proton does everything out of the box. And especially older games work way better than on Windows. There are no problems with compatibility mode or deprecated WinAPI-Calls. It just works.

        The only thing I would advise is to install Steam and all your other launchers via Lutris. That will save you some hassle.

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        When’s the last time you tried?

        I’ve been gaming on bazzite and haven’t found a game that doesn’t work. Haven’t had to touch a command line or anything, everything has been stable out of the box

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          How about Valorant? Its basically the only game (+ rainbow six siege / PUBG potentially, idk if these work) blocking me from switching. I know all my other games will work without issue cause they run on my steam deck as well.

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            EA’s fancy new kernel level anti-cheat is plaguing battlefield games. Also Rockstar broke GTA:O with their Anti-cheat (even though the Anti-cheat they use supports Linux)

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              The issue is that the Linux playerbase is so small, but its a self fulfilling prophecy. Players don’t play on Linux cause of the issues and the issues are there cause there are not enough players on Linux.

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        Real, Valorant is the only game really keeping me from Linux at this point. Steam with proton has really improved linux gaming

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        If yoy have a fairly recent gpu, windows games run fine on linux. The exception is games with agressive anti-cheat.

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        Dude…c’mon now. Check my history. I am NOT a linux defender. I am more along the lines of a linux user mocker. I find the OS to be confusing, but I find the userbase to just be SO…SO mockable. Just making fun of linux brings them out in droves. And it’s so funny to point out how the whole OS is clearly terminal mandated to enjoy the OS. Just say something like that, and you’ll twist somebodies knickers.

        That being said, of all the things that are legitimately awful about linux, you chose the GAME SUPPORT??? My god. Steam is THE storefront on PC. They have a vested interest in helping linux’s development, as long as that development goes towards making games work. The steamdeck is literally their financial incentive to make certain that your claim isn’t close to being true.

        And sure, you could say you disagree with Steam’s practice of LICENSING you a game. Not selling. There is a difference. I get it. That is something that is in itself a problem, but that also doesn’t relate to your issue. Because even if you stayed on Windows, you’d still have to buy from Steam. They’re just as dominant on Windows, as they are on linux.

        So, you COULD buy from GOG. The issue is, they specialize in retro games. So, their library may have massive gigantic gaps in titles. But again, this would also be true on Windows.

        So…yeah, I don’t know how you would defend linux game support being lackluster.

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          I actually agree with most of what you’re saying but you could at least pretend to sound less insane.

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            I had to check which comment you were referencing. I thought it was going to be the one where I said how hot it would be if Taylor Swift wore a strap-on, and made Mr Feenie (the teacher from boy meets world) her bitch. But about linux gaming? Me? Insane sounding? :O

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          I don’t like how you worded this because you overlook the fact that games with a kernal anti-cheat don’t work on Linux. This is the only reason I haven’t switched over yet. The only arguments people make is “just play other games” which is not helpful at all and suggesting dual booting which I’d have to do what? Daily? Maybe twice a day? Whats the use of having Linux then?

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          Unless you use something other than iOS or Android, you’re also a *nix user. Have fun lol

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        Check out distros like Pop!_OS or Nobara. Linux gaming has come a long way recently due to Valve going all in on linux for the Steam Deck. Frankly even just the standard mainline distros aren’t terrible for gaming these days tbh.

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    Ugh. I’m going to have to seriously look at Linux, aren’t I?

    Absolutely no idea where to start with that, nor whether any of the software I need for work (or indeed anything else) is compatible, not how I’m going to find the time to learn all this.

    Bleugh 😔

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      Installed mint on an older computer I had so my oldest daughter could have a pc for school. She has had zero problems using it.

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      Linux Mint is one of the most recommended for newbies.
      You can use a live CD/USB to try it out without installing.

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        By newbie do you mean people who don’t know anything about computers ie me?

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          Yes. It’s probably the friendliest Linux distro. But there’s still a learning curve so don’t go in thinking it’s as plug and play as Windows.

          Source: Tech savvy guy that changed over recently

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              Plug and play essentially means “it just works”. Like as simple as plugging in a USB mouse and using it. When something isn’t plug and play, it means it takes a bit of fiddling with.

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                Ah yes, thank you. A tiny part of my brain wondered if that was the meaning but it’s never safe to assume something when I’m as clueless as I am.

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      Ubuntu is the typical go-to replacement for Windows as it’s arguably more plug-and-play than other distros.

      alternativeto.net is a great place to find Linux alternatives to the software you use. Many products already work on Linux without switching, but some areas might be more difficult. For example depending on your needs you might not find a great drop-in replacement for Photoshop.

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        you might not find a great drop-in replacement for Photoshop.

        I’m not a photoshop user, so maybe I’m just being dumb and not getting it, but…isn’t that gimp? I remember that one because the program name “gimp” made me laugh first time I heard it. It’s like a BDSM thing, and then you’re like “Oh, it’s photoshop? My mind went a totally different direction…”

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          Yes, there are certainly alternatives and there are several with a better UI than GIMP (see Krita and Pixel). But I’ve been told there are specific tools and workflows that are missing. Partly it’s probably a matter of finding new ways of accomplishing your goal.

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      If nowhere else, make a post on NoStupidQuestions and I’m sure there’s a few people that will help. I made a reply here suggesting raspberry pi os as a good starting point. No command line skills needed and quite a bit of software is available free from Debian (Linux which raspi os is created from).

      The user interface is similar with a start menu etc.

      If you’ve got a spare PC, I’d use it as a guinea pig system first before moving onto the main system.

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      Is your hardware not W11 compatible or you just don’t want to upgrade? Because you can just install the pro version (ISO on Microsoft’s website) and choose English UK during installation and that will solve most issues… I’m sure you’re able to figure out how to get it activated ;)

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    Windows 11 is the most secure Windows ever built

    They’ve been saying that about every single one since that notoriously insecure one. ME, I think?

    Also, I’m pretty sure that Tiny11 or the like is more secure if you consider data privacy important, since a lot of the privacy issues of Windows 11 are coming from the unnecessary parts of Windows itself…

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      I mean, one would hope that whenever there is a new version it’s more secure than the last one. Not that it’s true, but that’s how it should be, so nothing weird about the claim.

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        that’s how it should be, so nothing weird about the claim.

        As long as you consider every claim Microsoft makes to be either a lie or inherently unprovable until the opposite is proven, that is. Which you should tbh.

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        I mean, Tiny11 both is and isn’t Windows, depending on whether you count “Windows 11 with everything but the bare essentials optional” as “Windows” 🤷

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    For those who is not quite ready for Linux and don’t want to be left behind, you have options.

    Do a search for Tiny11. It’s super lightweight and you can set what you want to share with MSFT.

    Old machines can run as well.

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    Infuriating for sure. People can’t afford groceries or rent and Microsoft chooses to ride in with a, by the way, your computer needs to go, just buy a new one, k?

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    “Trade it”

    TO FUCKING WHOM? The whole point is that you made it useless.

    (Unless this is Microsoft providing some free advertising for Linux)

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      Trade it in.

      In other words, someone may be willing to pay you for parts, rather than you just getting nothing for it (recycling).

      They are not going to recommend you use an alternative OS, and probably not because they’re worried about market share, but because they then have some responsibility for every time a person fucks up a Linux install.

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      Probably going to be a ton of cheap used computers on the market in the near future for installing Linux on

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        Oh good. My PC is actually 11 years old. The hard drive died a few months ago. So I replaced the 3.5inch sata 7200rpm drive with an enclosure that holds 2 2.5inch drives. I’m using solid state for the first time. I was able to clone my Windows 7 drive to a solid state drive. It works even better than the original drive.

        But! That enclosure makes it so that I can just turn off the PC, eject the drive, insert a different drive, and now I’m on an entirely different OS. It’s my first time using linux…it still sucks, but it’s useable. Last time I tried linux was right before I bought this PC 11 years ago. I tried using linux on a PC that previously was running Windows XP. I couldn’t even get it to boot. Now things generally work, but it has BEEN a constant struggle, and a constant learning experience.

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        Every now and then a little devil on my shoulder says “you should set up a cluster computer that serves a secondary function as a smart space heater” and it’s gonna be really hard to ignore if the deals are good enough.

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      Correction: it’s MY last Windows release. I invite it to be yours too.

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        “Technically” lol I think one of their corp guys said it, but never endorsed it as a position.

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    I took the last message I got from them as an invitation to ditch Windows for Linux. Now I wish I did that earlier!

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    Windows 11 is the most secure Windows ever built, with comprehensive end-to-end security

    Does “end-to-end security” actually mean anything in this context, or is it just intended to evoke “end-to-end encryption”?

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    I mean, what do you expect them to say?

    “Time to install Linux, here’s how you chose a kernel:”