People are losing their shit, calling for boycotts, and throwing around accusations of transphobia over comments in the source code and a single line of documentation? Seriously? And brigading the developer three years after the fact‽ I was ready to write off Ladybird, but damn, this was taken way out of proportion.
I’m all in for equal treatment, but people need to get a perspective. Such an extreme reaction will ultimately hurt the cause they’re trying to advocate for. Getting bent out of shape and publicly brigading something for every perceived slight, every time someone’s feelings are hurt, or can’t get their way, will get them – and the demographic or movement they represent – labelled as undesirable.
A single line of documentation? How about looking into some context? Hurt feelings my ass, Andreas isn’t some innocent, silly little guy who never does anything questionable.
And which cause exactly are you talking about? Because I don’t know about you, but I’ll stand for real, marginalized people over lines of code of a screen any day.
I’ve checked out the PR, and it does look bad. But I’d like to see a justification. The comment seems blatantly transphobic/misogynistic. Seems like you’re saying that my understanding is extreme. How could yours be refuted?
Brigading was clearly not justified, but as per my apparently extreme opinions, so isn’t the original reply?
Brigading was definitely not a justified act. That was wrong and extreme, and shouldn’t have been done. However, this still doesn’t excuse the closing reply to the PR.
People are losing their shit … over comments in the source code and a single line of documentation?
This is quite ironic, considering the first person in the PR seems to be the person who closed the issue.
not sure how exactly I’m losing my shit? I posted a single link, and let people decide for themselves, if your fine with supporting sexist people then nobody is stopping you.
and personally I don’t care if you think I’m hurting my cause, people who get this butthurt over some simple words and basic respect, simply are not the kind of people who I want to be around anyways.
I worded that poorly. The “you” was plural (I want the singular “thou” back) and meant to refer to the people who are losing their shit, not any one individual.
(edit) I also just want to point out that accusing me of being a sexist sympathizer and two hours later posting this shit is real funny.
I dont really want to ruin your mood but when hundreds of people are working on a project, there will be always individuals that are not so nice and go personal on others
This is why I hate the FOSS community. Everyone freaks out and cries wolf the second a platform doesn’t share their political opinion, even if it’s completely irrelevant to privacy or FOSS.
Personally, I’d want my software to value basic human decency, no matter how good the code is. If the developer lashes out at an inclusive change in a single line of documentation, I’m not using that browser even if it could solve my taxes.
This is just my take though, and if you want to use the browser, then go for it.
I’ll try to answer based on what I think you meant: if there is a software with a person with undesirable views in control of it, I’d try to boycott that software if feasible.
Not necessarily far right, but that implies they might be far right. i think if someone is cis female, her, if cis male then he, if other, they (unless something else is explicitly stated). I don’t think it really hurts anyone to call them the way they wish, but rightists usually do
This is not about “the FOSS community”. It doesn’t matter if you developed closed-source or open-source, doesn’t matter if you license your software with AGPL or NULA, if you make a comment that’s seemingly transphobic/misogynistic, people WILL freak out.
The reason you might see this occur more frequently in open-source spaces could be sue to the fact that issue trackers and PRs provide much less filtered responses than corporate social media accounts and blogs.
Obviously the FOSS community has a heavy left wing bias. I personally haven’t heard anything about Proton or Ladybird being controversial outside of Lemmy and Reddit. Clearly It’s not just about transphobia and sexism (which I think is an overreaction). A lot of people in the FOSS community left Proton just because of one positive tweet about Trump (from an Asian immigrant living in Switzerland). I think it’s really unhealthy for the FOSS community to jump ship the second a platform doesn’t share their political opinions.
People are losing their shit, calling for boycotts, and throwing around accusations of transphobia over comments in the source code and a single line of documentation? Seriously? And brigading the developer three years after the fact‽ I was ready to write off Ladybird, but damn, this was taken way out of proportion.
I’m all in for equal treatment, but people need to get a perspective. Such an extreme reaction will ultimately hurt the cause they’re trying to advocate for. Getting bent out of shape and publicly brigading something for every perceived slight, every time someone’s feelings are hurt, or can’t get their way, will get them – and the demographic or movement they represent – labelled as undesirable.
A single line of documentation? How about looking into some context? Hurt feelings my ass, Andreas isn’t some innocent, silly little guy who never does anything questionable.
And which cause exactly are you talking about? Because I don’t know about you, but I’ll stand for real, marginalized people over lines of code of a screen any day.
I’ve checked out the PR, and it does look bad. But I’d like to see a justification. The comment seems blatantly transphobic/misogynistic. Seems like you’re saying that my understanding is extreme. How could yours be refuted?
Brigading was clearly not justified, but as per my apparently extreme opinions, so isn’t the original reply?
Brigading was definitely not a justified act. That was wrong and extreme, and shouldn’t have been done. However, this still doesn’t excuse the closing reply to the PR.
This is quite ironic, considering the first person in the PR seems to be the person who closed the issue.
not sure how exactly I’m losing my shit? I posted a single link, and let people decide for themselves, if your fine with supporting sexist people then nobody is stopping you.
and personally I don’t care if you think I’m hurting my cause, people who get this butthurt over some simple words and basic respect, simply are not the kind of people who I want to be around anyways.
I worded that poorly. The “you” was plural (I want the singular “thou” back) and meant to refer to the people who are losing their shit, not any one individual.
(edit) I also just want to point out that accusing me of being a sexist sympathizer and two hours later posting this shit is real funny.
Should have said “yous guyses”
I dont really want to ruin your mood but when hundreds of people are working on a project, there will be always individuals that are not so nice and go personal on others
Andrew is not just “any individual”. He’s one of the lead developers of Ladybird, and the co-founder of the Ladybird 501©(3) nonprofit.
This is why I hate the FOSS community. Everyone freaks out and cries wolf the second a platform doesn’t share their political opinion, even if it’s completely irrelevant to privacy or FOSS.
Personally, I’d want my software to value basic human decency, no matter how good the code is. If the developer lashes out at an inclusive change in a single line of documentation, I’m not using that browser even if it could solve my taxes.
This is just my take though, and if you want to use the browser, then go for it.
Where do you draw the line though? I feel like that’s a slippery slope.
I’m not sure I understood; a line for what?
I’ll try to answer based on what I think you meant: if there is a software with a person with undesirable views in control of it, I’d try to boycott that software if feasible.
Foss certainly aligns better with left-wing philosophies, i don’t think far-right need to be widely accepted in these communities
Calling someone far-right for not wanting to implement a useless pronouns feature is a bit wild.
Not necessarily far right, but that implies they might be far right. i think if someone is cis female, her, if cis male then he, if other, they (unless something else is explicitly stated). I don’t think it really hurts anyone to call them the way they wish, but rightists usually do
let me provide you an analogy to what you’re saying.
“The US appeals to right wing philosophies so the left doesn’t need to be accepted”
what do you think?
Just like what a rightist would say. Also 2 “people” downvoting my comment is wild
I don’t think performative politics is a FOSS community problem. It’s more of an whole Internet problem.
It’s really bad on lemmy and reddit.
Reddit has much bigger problems, like unfair moderation, and a lot of creepy people
This is not about “the FOSS community”. It doesn’t matter if you developed closed-source or open-source, doesn’t matter if you license your software with AGPL or NULA, if you make a comment that’s seemingly transphobic/misogynistic, people WILL freak out.
The reason you might see this occur more frequently in open-source spaces could be sue to the fact that issue trackers and PRs provide much less filtered responses than corporate social media accounts and blogs.
Obviously the FOSS community has a heavy left wing bias. I personally haven’t heard anything about Proton or Ladybird being controversial outside of Lemmy and Reddit. Clearly It’s not just about transphobia and sexism (which I think is an overreaction). A lot of people in the FOSS community left Proton just because of one positive tweet about Trump (from an Asian immigrant living in Switzerland). I think it’s really unhealthy for the FOSS community to jump ship the second a platform doesn’t share their political opinions.