I know the whole thing about Trump being a narcissist is kind of surface level problems with the US, but I rarely actually sit through listening to him speak and it’s striking how on the nose the characteristics are. It seems clear he wants to humiliate the guy in front of a large audience and make him kiss the ring, and that’s why it’s not a private meeting. Though in actuality, to me, it humiliates everyone involved in the discussion; they all come out looking ridiculous in various ways. It’s like one of those internet arguments that feels important to the people involved in the moment, but just looks like petty noise from the outside.
I think that mess was intentional plan by trump. trump said something to the effect of “its good we did this in front of the cameras because the American people need to see what I have to deal with”
I don’t think it was about humiliation so much as trying to undo years of propaganda. Showing people that zelenski isn’t the kind of heroic brave man the media made him out to be.
Zelenski came out of that looking weak, belligerent, and ungrateful. But Trump just came out of that looking like trump.
I see Trump using this to push for “elections.” I imagine there will be silence on that topic from Russia while they and the us figure out who the next president will be behind closed doors.
I don’t think anyone has told zelenski “call elections or we will kill you” yet but that message is coming soon.
Putin and the Russian government aren’t stupid. While they could be better, I put them almost up there with China in terms of long-term planning, common sense, reasoning, and sharp historical memory. They 99.99 percent won’t accept a fake ceasefire. Only a quality one, at least.
Maybe. I still think elections in Ukraine while the war is ongoing are unlikely. My feeling is that the Europeans will try to prevent an election at all costs because they’ve invested too much in Zelensky… but who knows at this point. I never expected this meeting to go as bad as it did either. We’re living in interesting times…
weird, to me zelensky came out as courageous (tho dumb and unreasonable) while both vance and trump came out as wimps. Zelensky is after all raising his voice at his enablers.
“mr zelensky youre being disrespectful!” Lmao just come on, its your home turf and he is your subject, why do you say it like that 😂
I know the whole thing about Trump being a narcissist is kind of surface level problems with the US, but I rarely actually sit through listening to him speak and it’s striking how on the nose the characteristics are. It seems clear he wants to humiliate the guy in front of a large audience and make him kiss the ring, and that’s why it’s not a private meeting. Though in actuality, to me, it humiliates everyone involved in the discussion; they all come out looking ridiculous in various ways. It’s like one of those internet arguments that feels important to the people involved in the moment, but just looks like petty noise from the outside.
I think that mess was intentional plan by trump. trump said something to the effect of “its good we did this in front of the cameras because the American people need to see what I have to deal with”
I don’t think it was about humiliation so much as trying to undo years of propaganda. Showing people that zelenski isn’t the kind of heroic brave man the media made him out to be.
Zelenski came out of that looking weak, belligerent, and ungrateful. But Trump just came out of that looking like trump.
Yup. This is what i suspect was the intention all along. Trump now has the perfect excuse to distance himself from the Ukraine debacle.
I see Trump using this to push for “elections.” I imagine there will be silence on that topic from Russia while they and the us figure out who the next president will be behind closed doors.
I don’t think anyone has told zelenski “call elections or we will kill you” yet but that message is coming soon.
For a long while now, the U.S./UkraNazi far-right have supposedly been contemplating assassinating Zelenskyy.
Unfortunately i think that is a more likely scenario than elections.
Putin and the Russian government aren’t stupid. While they could be better, I put them almost up there with China in terms of long-term planning, common sense, reasoning, and sharp historical memory. They 99.99 percent won’t accept a fake ceasefire. Only a quality one, at least.
Maybe. I still think elections in Ukraine while the war is ongoing are unlikely. My feeling is that the Europeans will try to prevent an election at all costs because they’ve invested too much in Zelensky… but who knows at this point. I never expected this meeting to go as bad as it did either. We’re living in interesting times…
weird, to me zelensky came out as courageous (tho dumb and unreasonable) while both vance and trump came out as wimps. Zelensky is after all raising his voice at his enablers.
“mr zelensky youre being disrespectful!” Lmao just come on, its your home turf and he is your subject, why do you say it like that 😂
Vance definitely came out of it looking like a debate bro and a loser.
yeah right?
What’s that quote about wrestling a pig in the mud?