It transpires that Ukraine may not even have $500 billion in RE metals to give away (Inside China Business channel):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tILXLxMTmgA
It’s all just political theater as various capital factions compete in attempting to maintain Western Hegemony.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
just seen another angle where you can see trump is pushing him around 😭
You don’t have any cards right now.
We are not playing cards.
You are playing cards.
Libs are super mad but I have seen 2 bit western journalists disrespect Asian and African leaders this way a bunch of times and libs celebrate it as clapping back.
I personally think it’s great that everyone gets to see under the covers about what the empire thinks of you. Let’s be clear, the dems lost on purpose so the right could do this and get applause from its audience. And then in 4 years we may flip over and the theater will play a different movie for the lib fans. But it’s just theater at the end of the day.
It’s really hard to think how this could’ve possibly gone worse. The whole thing started with Zelensky’s offhand suggestion of trading Ukrainian minerals for US aid which backfired catastrophically. Trump, ever the opportunist, seized on the proposal like a shark scenting blood. He initially framed it as Ukraine having to hand over minerals for future support, which he quickly turned into a demand for repayment of the $300 billion already spent, retroactively recasting aid as a loan.
By floating the minerals idea, Zelensky handed Trump a rhetorical weapon that let Trump box Ukraine into a lose-lose scenario of either surrendering resources or admitting to owing an unpayable debt. Zelensky got accustomed to Biden’s blank-check diplomacy, and completely misread the room here. Now, Trump has the perfect excuse to cut Ukraine loose. He will say that Zelensky lied about his willingness to make a deal, that he doesn’t appreciate US support, and that he was belligerent. The whole thing is an absolute debacle for Ukraine.
Honestly after the way Zelensky got humiliated here, he should ask Putin to let Ukraine join the Russian Federation. It would spite Trump, it’d be funny as fuck, and Ukraine would probably get better treatment from Russia than it would under the US vultures at thos point.
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One thing that pops out quite strongly to me is that when Trump tells Zelensky that they aren’t winning the war, Zelensky responds with
We are staying in our country. We are staying strong
Zelensky can’t even say in public that they are winning, or have a chance of winning. Only that the fighting will continue. He wants to continue bleeding Ukrainian lives no matter what. He has no rebuke to Trump’s statement that they are wasting life, or gambling with WW3. It’s a testament of how delusional you have to be that Trump is coming across as the reasonable voice of peace when dealing with you!
I think to the average dumbass American that exchange made Trump look amazing. Which sucks. He gets to look like the defender of America against meanie ukrainians who want all its guns while simultaneously sending israel everything it wants and continuing the genocide.
Everyone is pissing on the floor and demanding you respect how strong their piss streams are
really? idk to me both vance and trump look like wimps, zelensky being allowed to yap like that and not instantly being shut down in place makes them look weak. ive seen people have more authority in daily life tbh.
You gotta remember your a lot more educated on this tho. Most Americans are gonna see like a few second clip that the media cuts to make zelensky look extra mean and theyll use the “your playing with WW3” line from Trump to make him look like this big peace defender. Then theyll say he kicked zelensky out of the WH for being rude, and the average american will eat it up.
I feel Zelensky is joining the other allies of the empire very soon 🤣
Lol, they fucking kicked him out of the White House
This is how it went down according to Fox News:
And of course Sheepdog Sanders has to come out and show how much of a neocon agenda loyalist he is now:
Wouldn’t the Yugoslavia War with bombing from NATO at least compete for the title of “bloodiest European war”?
Samderes was a supporter of the bombing of Yugoslavia.
Yup, and that’s when Parenti broke up with Sanders.
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history started on february 2022 tho
Huh? I thought that history started on October 7, 2023.
you’re not wrong either, it started on february 2022 then paused and then resumed in october 7 2023
Such a disappointment of a man.
It’s also just stupid, even in terms of purely cynical political gain. Three years ago it was certainly politically advantageous to virtue signal support for Ukraine. But we can see which way the wind is blowing now. The US wants to ditch project Ukraine and they are currently in the process of unwinding the heroization propaganda surrounding Zelensky. This public humiliation ritual was just the latest part of that image tarnishing.
And the veil that has hidden the ugly reality of what has been going on in Ukraine for these past years will be slowly lifted by the media so that the US can say “it’s not our fault the war was lost, look how corrupt they turned out to be”. And many of the European leaders, as well as the Democrats and “progressives” in the US, who insist on tying their political credibility to the sinking ship that is Zelensky may well be dragged down along with him.
If you’re going to be a rat at least be a smart one. Know when it’s time to jump ship.
He’s not a rat, he’s a liberal. He’s steadfast in his commitment to being wrong.
He pretends not to be one when it’s convenient. I will admit he had me fooled back in 2016.
comrade bernie sanders, part of the communist pipeline by being an incompetent socdem.
They keep talking about Russian imperialism but I don’t understand what they mean 😭
They keep talking about Ukrainian democracy but i can’t find any. Maybe my definition of democracy is different.
Apparently, according to Bernie “Israel has a right to defend itself” Sanders, democracy is when you cancel elections, ban opposition parties, forbid peace negotiations, place all media under state control, arrest people for social media posts calling for peace, beat up priests, abduct men off the streets into vans and force them to go die in the trenches, murder journalists, and torture regime critics to death in secret prisons.
Is Macron secretly working for Putin? Because otherwise insisting on this meeting was the own goal of the century
Holy fuck what a shitshow that was. I had a suspicion they weren’t going to get along very well, but this was worse than i ever could have imagined.
Why do they even let this clown speak in public anymore? Every time he opens his mouth things get worse for Ukraine. He comes across as the most uncharismatic, entitled piece of shit you’ve ever seen. If his handlers had any brains they would only ever let him read off scripts in front of a green screen.
I love the Ukrainian embassador’s face.
This was literally me as I was watching. I couldn’t help but keep cringing, sometimes I had to physically look away.
In all seriousness, I finally watched the exchange and WOW the secondhand embarrassment I felt was strong. I had to watch this in 1.5x speed because it was so bad. I don’t think I’ve witnessed a more uncomfortable and unproductive conversation in my life. I had no faith in Trump, or Vance, to have a proper conversation about ending the war but this was worse than I expected. None of these people know what diplomacy is, also Vance lecturing Zelenskyy for a “thank you”, like he’s a child, was hard to watch and so stupid.
I know the whole thing about Trump being a narcissist is kind of surface level problems with the US, but I rarely actually sit through listening to him speak and it’s striking how on the nose the characteristics are. It seems clear he wants to humiliate the guy in front of a large audience and make him kiss the ring, and that’s why it’s not a private meeting. Though in actuality, to me, it humiliates everyone involved in the discussion; they all come out looking ridiculous in various ways. It’s like one of those internet arguments that feels important to the people involved in the moment, but just looks like petty noise from the outside.
I think that mess was intentional plan by trump. trump said something to the effect of “its good we did this in front of the cameras because the American people need to see what I have to deal with”
I don’t think it was about humiliation so much as trying to undo years of propaganda. Showing people that zelenski isn’t the kind of heroic brave man the media made him out to be.
Zelenski came out of that looking weak, belligerent, and ungrateful. But Trump just came out of that looking like trump.
I don’t think it was about humiliation so much as trying to undo years of propaganda.
Yup. This is what i suspect was the intention all along. Trump now has the perfect excuse to distance himself from the Ukraine debacle.
I see Trump using this to push for “elections.” I imagine there will be silence on that topic from Russia while they and the us figure out who the next president will be behind closed doors.
I don’t think anyone has told zelenski “call elections or we will kill you” yet but that message is coming soon.
For a long while now, the U.S./UkraNazi far-right have supposedly been contemplating assassinating Zelenskyy.
Unfortunately i think that is a more likely scenario than elections.
Putin and the Russian government aren’t stupid. While they could be better, I put them almost up there with China in terms of long-term planning, common sense, reasoning, and sharp historical memory. They 99.99 percent won’t accept a fake ceasefire. Only a quality one, at least.
Maybe. I still think elections in Ukraine while the war is ongoing are unlikely. My feeling is that the Europeans will try to prevent an election at all costs because they’ve invested too much in Zelensky… but who knows at this point. I never expected this meeting to go as bad as it did either. We’re living in interesting times…
weird, to me zelensky came out as courageous (tho dumb and unreasonable) while both vance and trump came out as wimps. Zelensky is after all raising his voice at his enablers.
“mr zelensky youre being disrespectful!” Lmao just come on, its your home turf and he is your subject, why do you say it like that 😂
Vance definitely came out of it looking like a debate bro and a loser.
yeah right?
What’s that quote about wrestling a pig in the mud?
