I’d love to see some stats on reddit engagement now. Anecdotally, I logged in just to look at my usual subreddits (the ones that are open) and they seem dead.
I use RSS to get feeds for subs that are not active in lemmy.
Many posts are dog shit level now. Either looking for help or just garbage.
Check out r/lemmino lol.
Yep. I feel like all of the high-value like high-quality posters are now here or elsewhere and are done with reddit. I used to post a ton on reddit, even across multiple accounts. Now I just post here. lol
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So I saw this on mastodon … and it’s a little weird, perhaps not unlike the cultures that migrants develop in their new homes.
There’s a tendency, I think, to overestimate how bad the “old” platform has become since “we” left. In reality, it’s not nearly that bad, if any different at all, and those of us not inclined toward this overestimation go and check the old platform from time to time and get confused as to where all of this “hellscape deadness” is.
I think we can all imagine to some extent why this might happen. But I’m writing this just in case it’s healthy to point out that it need not happen, and that the thing that’s actually changed, though you might not know if you’ve arrived here recently, is this place, which is a whole new thing!
A story I think of along these lines is what Steve Jobs did when he went back to Apple in the late 90s. Back then Apple thought they had to beat Microsoft to win. Thing is the company was close to dying with huge debts etc and were never going to do that (still haven’t come close today). But they were so enamoured with their past to the point of having a museum of all of their old products. Jobs had the museum removed, told everyone that for Apple to win it has to stop thinking about Microsoft because they’ll never be destroyed, instead Apple had to win by doing its own thing, and then, super contraversially for the time, had Bill Gates invest a bunch of money into Apple and appear on the big screen during a keynote to rather audible “boos”.
It doesn’t matter what Reddit’s doing or whether they’re doing well. It matters if we’re doing well … as cheesy as that might sound.
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I doubt it made a dent. 250k doesn’t even register on the map of 100m active users.
It does if those 250k are the ones submitting/creating content.
Are they though? I didn’t submit posts on reddit. Looking at the front page of lemmy it’s missing a lot of the topics and subjects reddit posts about.
I’m not trying to be a downer, I think 250k is great and it’s enough to make lemmy 100% replace reddit for me. But I don’t think it dents reddit. I talked to my friends and they barely noticed anything except the blackout. I go on reddit all the same communities are still posting and commenting as normal. But saying that when I looked at reddit I realized how much garbage is posted there compared to lemmy.
They are probably confused about how to use an app that behaves like an ad carousel
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How would a Lemmy subreddit be useful? The only thing I could see would just be a pinned message regarding general guidance
Advice on what instances to join, coordination to move communities, technical advice for those communities to form instance, etc.
I come from Reddit and that would be absolutely helpful, I’m still getting around how everything works.
Feel free to ask if you face any difficulties
I think having a link aggregator is going to be so great for the fediverse. It allows us to gather content from all over the internet and bring to to the often secluded fediverse.
It also means we can post links to fediverse discussions and draw people in.
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So far, all the lemmy apps I’ve used are in very early stages and quite buggy. Currently enjoying WefWef (PWA / web-based app) which I like the best.
Looking forward to Sync, though!
They’ve progressed very rapidly. Personally I don’t think we’re still in the “very buggy” era. I’m participating daily without major issues. There’s just a lot left to build.
wefwef was renamed voyager a few days ago
I’m going to keep calling it WefWef since I like that name more lol. Not a fan of the Voyager renaming.
Haven’t reinstalled the app so that it is still called that on my phone.
Probably wanted to keep with the space theme, given that it’s the go-to for Apollo users right now. I think it’s a neat little nod.
!memmy@memmy.ml is great on iOS
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !memmy@lemmy.ml
I don’t think lemmy is still growing. I might be wrong but this graph https://fedidb.org/current-events/threadiverse
is trending down and i’ve seen a lot of smaller magazines/communities that haven’t had any posts for 1-2weeks by now.
I try to help that problem at little but i doubt lemmy&kbin has >100k active users right now.I think that’s normal. People will try out Lemmy but if they notice that the communities they frequent doesn’t have a lot of content they’ll just leave back to reddit.
We can hope for organic growth but it’ll take a long time (especially with how big reddit is)
They might be using some smoothing, because all lines are noise-free. and the last point might just be an artifact. It looks like a constant growth
According to the graph it accounts for active users within the last 30 days. 30Days ago the reddit strike started and an influx of people started posting. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of people haven’t been here since. There was a lot of performance and other issues with lemmy&kbin at that time.
There is also always a flurry of people trying out accounts in multiple instances whenever there’s a migration wave, so not only are we seeing people who dipped a toe in only to leave, or go back to Reddit, but we’re seeing the effect of people understanding how the ecosystem works better and settling into a single active account.
Should be interesting to see how the fediverse in general handles more traffic, as we’ve seen with kbin and lemmy over the last month or so there are certainly some growing pains
at least we are making the most of our new space here, we all seem to be building something fun here
Federation in general seems to be pretty buggy, I’m running my own instance and I can see a ton of failed jobs happening in the logs. Seems like some of the issues are short comings of the ActivityPub protocol
@lohrun they are shortcomings in lemmy’s flavor of apub. activity pub is more akin to json than it is an actual social networking protocol.
@jeff@federated.fun i don’t know if there is much we can do about that though. I have read through the activity pub spec as I was considering writing a fediverse web app…I won’t disagree, it is glorified json. Unfortunately it’s the “standard” that has been loosely agreed upon. I might have the willpower to write a passion project FOSS fediverse web app but I know I couldn’t remotely begin architecting a new federation protocol as well.
The one that’s bouncing around in the back of my mind is a ActivityPub <-> NNTP gateway. Have a server that federates to things on ActivityPub and then exposes then via NNTP so that Gnus or trn would be able to speak to the server, read messages and post new messages.
That doesn’t seem impossible… I’m not sure what business logic would be needed to make them easily interoperable. Honestly the biggest complaints I’ve read about the fediverse isn’t the UIs available to view content. The issue is the bugginess of federation and the lack of content recommendation algorithms on the platforms.
I’ve been mulling over the idea of a fediverse content crawler to allow instances to mass federate content to their instance…but then like I said you also need a good recommendation algo as well.
We have a ton of dev work going into making new UIs for Lemmy but personally I think what I said above should get some love too.
Discovery is one of the great problems of the fediverse.
Old school, nntp - you got a list of all the groups and grep’ed for whatever was interesting. https://www.eternal-september.org/groups.php?hierarchy=alt - anything interesting? Subscribe. Discovery wasn’t too hard.
For Reddit, you’ve got The Algorithm which keeps suggesting things. There’s /r/all and /r/popular which has a bunch of stuff… and sometimes /r/popular has something interesting that isn’t part of the groups you subscribe that you’d want to subscribe to. There’s also people suggesting other groups to crosspost something too - which adds to the discovery for the person with content and everyone reading with a “oh, that sub also has things… another day, another cat sub.”
Twitter had its algorithm - but one of the important things was the hashtags. For example, there is #energytwitter - https://twitter.com/search?q=%23energytwitter which has lots of material about the electric grid. If you’re on twitter, subscribe to that hash tag and that interesting stuff goes past your feed.
However, with the twitter exodus, people formed instances around a hashtag… mastodon.social was “full” and not accepting new accounts, and “taking over” another instance with all that community’s content was impolite… so there’s https://mastodon.energy/explore which is the people who left twitter and went to mastodon to be active there. There’s non energy stuff, but the local hashtags and activity is good.
Now, if you’ve got an account on techhub.social but want the energy twitter experience… you can’t really get it. You’d have to subscribe to everyone on mastodon.energy or browse it in read only mode… and to get a general “question to the experts”, you’d need someone there to boost it rather than just tagging it with #energytwitter. Or you get two accounts… which is one of the things that federation tries to not have. Unfortunately, identity doesn’t have a good federation solution yet so that one identity could log into two different mastodon instances.
And so - the great federation discovery problem. And I’m not referring to !startrek@startrek.website
The other one is the multiple instances of the same thing. !java@lemmy.ml vs !java@programming.dev - subscribe to both? Just one? Got content - post to both? or just one?
Anyways, this is where we are now. ActivityPub isn’t awful. Mastodon instances seem alright. Lemmy seems a bit “by itself” with poor federation to others. I can subscribe to events on https://events.nixnet.services in Mastodon without any seeming problem… or things on Wordpress.
I believe Lemmy needs to work on its federation. It’s ok as a reddit clone, but without a really good reason to be federated other than to be federated. Being implemented as a reddit clone, it also brought with it the social problems of Reddit without too much consideration about the design of social software and trying to correct those problems. A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy is a good read - https://gwern.net/doc/technology/2005-shirky-agroupisitsownworstenemy.pdf - all the things that Reddit did wrong (and right) are attempting to be repeated here.
