Cant imagine making 30 k a year and having to pay even 1600 in taxes. This is saying it will increase that much.
A tax increase is never fine and Trump is only gonna use it to fund the rich.
However there will be a tax increase if the US ever get’s social security.
Print, laminate and start ticking this up around your local town centre.
Spread incorrect info? Sounds good
America, the home of enshittifiction!
making 30 k a year and having to pay even 1600 in taxes
That’s like 5.3%, could that be real? That would be ridiculously low. I just checked and with that same income I’d be paying 2480 in Germany, or 8.3%, and that’s in taxes alone. After social insurances and health insurance the total deduction would be 6450 or 21.5% total.
I can’t say anything about the validity of the infographic but it says “increase up to” so it’s relative not absolute. So without knowing the current taxation it would be hard to say that tax is low, unless you think the increase is too low. Or am I missing something?
The text from the OP below the infographic was my point of reference, not the graphic itself.
Ah, I get now what you mean. Fair point.
I’m speaking from the perspective if you’re that close to or under the poverty line it does not help society to tax you any amount.
Google says the poverty line in the US is 13800, what am I missing?
The actual real poverty line is going to be region dependent. If you grow up in a high income area and end up “only” making 30k a year before taxes, then you’ll be either living with your parents or in your car.
As to why 1500 dollars extra taxes will break families earning 30000 a year: people and especially families have fixed expenditures needed to survive. After other taxes, rent, food, … there is usually nothing left at the end of the month. Where are these people going to save 1500 dollars? So don’t look at it as 1500 out of 30000, look at it as taking 1500 dollars from someone who has 0 dollars left.
Edit to add: that 1500 is not total taxes, it’s extra taxes.
Rules of exponents.
Or maybe just real world living.
America, the home of enshittifiction!
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Solution: stop paying taxes.
I just started doing this for federal, not state, and I’m curious what happens.
I’ll probably owe a little extra fee at EOY, but I’m not worried about that. They’ll have to ask me for this money.
And then I’ll probably try and get a payment plan. Just deny and delay as long as I can.
Because why not?
Because a defunded IRS will track easy fish like yourself and be quicker to fine you.
I don’t care. I struggle to even find accountants willing to do my taxes, I doubt underfunded IRS is going to want to tackle that mess.
And even if they do, I’m of multiple cultures that I’m damned if I do regardless, so might as well take that extra money and do some good with it while I can.
Pay it because if you don’t pay it they might come and make you pay it? Poor argument.
I’ll pay it when I file, over time, slowly, but not from each and every check throughout the year.
Presidential!
Breaking News: trump signs into law 200% sales tax
No sales tax, currently, where I live. So I would hope that’d see some pushback.
These people have to live somewhere. Why is nobody killing them?
Americans are brainwashed with an ideology of nonviolence
The population has been made isolated at the community level. There are very few local groups doing any reaction at all to this.
And violent reactions which are successful are a group action; it’s very seldom an individual, in any era of history, changed the politics by themselves.
And as long as there are no impromptu gatherings of significant frequency, there will be very little violence.
The internet is not a replacement for community driven change which powers all social and political movements, peaceful or not.
The turning point, if there is one, will be lots of local meetings by the thousands , and not until then. No matter how violent or passive the individuals be
Americans won’t form violent groups because they’re trapped in the mind prison of nonviolence. They think violence is wrong.
There is still a lot of violent potential in all this population, it just needs to be nurtured by a working grassroots movement. And that is broken. Just like you can drive a car with a working motor, that has a busted axle; you cannot lead violent people to do things if there is no place to hook up or meet in person.
This applies to the people who oppose you as much as you, and I mean anyone. So, the current situation is sort of a stabilizing force at the moment
It’s because it IS wrong. Animals resort to violence when they don’t get their way.
Don’t kid yourself, you’re pro-violence if you’re okay with how the system is now.
Where in what I said did you interpret that I was okay with how the system is?
The allied soldiers who killed the nazi soldiers are… doing something wrong?
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Nice whatabout. Not entertaining it.
BULLSHIT
Profound! As was the last time you said the exact same thing.
Maybe it’s because we’re not animals. Had half of this country been educated enough to see what was coming- we wouldn’t be in this mess. Violence will only make it worse.
strange though that rich educated billionaires are fine using violence through the state to oppress citizens
Did I say that was fine?
In a game theory situation, One actor that obeys laws vs. another that doesn’t tends to eliminate the one that does obeys laws.
so even hypothetically, we can’t take the high road as it leads to a cliff.
and don’t be so naive to think the world peace and order we enjoy wasn’t paid for with blood of our ancestors. The rules you hold dearly now didn’t protect your ancestors when they sought to do what’s right.
Violence is the hallmark of peace.
Have fun storming the castle when people can’t even organize protests of any significance.
That is a completely different problem.
Who’s not an animal? Because humans are definitely classified as animals. We’re definitely not plants.
Animals as in- barbaric knuckle-dragging cavemen than can’t handle negativity and adversity without harming others.
You’re virtue signaling and need to do some deep searching and a review of human history. Be better.
Yeah… being nonviolent absolutely is a virtue. A pretty simple one at that. So I’m hoping the signal is loud and clear. And human history? Really? We used to use the practice of trepanning to release evil spirits from one’s head. Doctors once prescribed cigarettes to patients. History is a bad example to use to justify the present.
And lastly, you have the nerve to tell me to be better while you try and justify acts of violence?
Be better indeed- and evolve while you’re at it.
Yeah, I forgot how this country became liberated in the first place.
Yeah… it’s not 1775 anymore. Did you not know this?
BULLSHIT
Such an astute point! Care to elaborate?
Is this per household?
IMAGINE GIVING A FUCK ABOUT $36K WHEN YOU MAKE NEARLY $1 MILLION / YR!!!
Imagine not pursuing all your hobbies and instead opressing minorities and waging war all around the world when you make 100 billion a year. First person to say that is elons interest, and that’s valid, can stand in line behind him at the guillotine.
If I had that kind of money, you’d never hear about me again. I’d just stay quiet and fund a whole lot of charities and scholarships.
You would never get that rich in the first place because you aren’t a sociopath.
I mean… you could win a lottery…
low odds but still… 😉
Afraid there’s no 100 billion annually cash for life lottery . . . Even if there was a 100 million per year prize, youd need to live for 1000 more years to accumulate 100bn. So, sociopathy (together with nepotism and luck) seems like the only viable path…
Don’t worry. It’ll trickle down… eventually… The cash might be a bit red though… /j
I feel like these chuds don’t know the difference between trickle and dangle.
This is dangle down economics, where the less well off are dependent on voluntary charity from the better off.
It’s like Robin Hood, but in reverse…
Dennis Moore?
Hobin Rood or Nibor Dooh?
Hood Robbin’ was right there
Sey Yes
Why don’t we just charge the homeless infinite tax money to support the government?
good luck, do you need any pitchforks or are you bringing your own
Bug report filed.
Closing, will not fix
PEBKAC. Known issue.
I am unironically working on an idea where negative money is a normal feature of an Economy which is needs first. Production based on the requirement to fill those needs. There would be no tax money required to support a government and the negative balance is simply a transparent measurement of the cost of life.
It would eliminate the concept of purchasing power. And i know that sounds insane on premises. Hence i am still working on it. May require more then a few pages.
Anyway don’t direct skepticism to it yet. Just know that your joke has been a real life math Problem in my head for a few days now.
Some may critique you, but I think it’s important to dream. All the best ideas started as dreams.
Your idea is kind of sound, but it really depends on how you implement the “negative” money.
You can just choose not to pay off the public debt. That will, effectively, make you print infinite money, and we all know how much corpos like to use and very much abuse inflation. Your idea’d fall quick.
An alternative is to charge the provider for the service they’re providing, or someone with deep pockets who could. This seems much sounder of a wax to go to me. For example, if someone is building a hotel with 500 rooms, say they have to build an additional 30 apartments meant to house a 4-member family. Or, say you keep the asinine US health insurance system, but for every procedure they charge, they have to make one for free. Who they give it to is chosen by the government. This is effectively a form of “negative” taxation. Shame it’s basically a revive of the feudal-era “Wheat tax”.
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I just love you guys
No need to cry!
Let me reiterate it - it’s not inherently a bad idea.
The wheat tax wasn’t inherently bad (well, other than taking food from the already-starving population, but that isn’t the problem of the way the tax inherently works, but of how it is used): the main problem was: it was too successfull. The wheat tax was meant to provide the Church with bread. The church took 10% of every household’s grown wheat and they got way too much, so the wheat spoiled. Then they switched to a monetary tax, since money doesn’t spoil as easily, and they could use it for more stuff than just baking bread.
These two reasons are why the tax isn’t used anymore. But, again, it’s not inherently a bad idea.
This model can easily be adapted to work properly. Medical procedures aren’t things that “spoil”, and there’s steady demand for them. It could also work for stuff like housing (anyone building a hotel or an apartment complex for-profit has to make, say, the same 10% for the government), and even retail (if stores had to give even 1 item for every 100 items sold to a public kithen, the kitchens would be overflowing nationwide).
Honestly, this is the way to go. The capitalists just don’t want that. They’ll be the first ones to point out how it was a feudal-era tax, how people weren’t free, and how it wouldn’t work in reality (when itsure as hell would). They’d say it isn’t practical: foodstuffs spoil, for example - but we’re not living in the Middle ages anymore - we have bookkeeping, abd the government could decide to “take” their “fair share” to the kitchen when the demand, well, demands.
The first option is very close to this, but the money is a problem. Once we achieve a near-moneyless, near-classless society where inflation isn’t a concern, even that model would work. But, for now we’ll have to stick to this, sincethis is implementable in the current society.
Those are tears of joy. Just seeing people supporting each other is moving.
I mean, I agree with this and think it should be spread widely, but probably should be in politics or politicalmemes.
Enshittification is, from the sidebar, “The phenomenon of online platforms gradually degrading the quality of their services, often by promoting advertisements and sponsored content, in order to increase profits.”
Sorry. There just isn’t a platform for stuff like this big enough on lemmy right now. Tried shoe horning it here but it’s literally at the top of r/all and is good content. From my experience politicalmemes would bite my head off. Politics must be an article.
Ironic. Enshittification of Lemmy.
The same thing happened on reddit, where any “content” could fit anywhere, because who gives a shit right?
Hey, the mods could have removed it. I will if you insist. Give me the word.
This has been my experience as well. Many communities have strict posting rules. If you just want to post an infographic, options are extremely limited.
You can never vote in your life and still have to pay taxes. You could be as non-political as you want, you’re still paying taxes. What’s the point of pretending this only affects people who are into politics?
Also surely that’s not correct on the sidebar right? Only online platforms? That’s that’s not what we’re here for. If that’s what it says someone fucked up. That’s obviously not right.
This does NOT affect me as a European…
Well, I mean, I remember when Cory Doctorow first created the word, and it’s always meant to me what the sidebar says. It captured specifically why online platforms start out very consumer-friendly to attract users, until the users and businesses are trapped by network effects, and they become the product being sold.
Maybe language changes, maybe it now means just “things getting worse” to some people. But I honestly think that’s a tragedy, because if “enshittification” loses its specific meaning, it loses the power to specifically call attention to this phenomenon.
He might have invented the word but he didn’t invent the phenomenon. People have been aware of capitalism’s eroding effect on the quality of goods and services for a while now. While he may have specifically been talking about online products and services it’s not like it even originated there. The decline of products due to capitalism’s entropy is well established and preceded the decline of online services. I think it’s rather safe to say it’s taken on a meaning for more than just the internet. Certainly that’s what most people use it for I’ve noticed.
That’s also in no way a tragedy. Kind of ironic to be bemoaning a word losing its original specific meaning and then using the word tragedy to describe that.
The specific meaning in the sidebar is explicitly about differentiating it from other generic capitalist decay. It’s specific to online platforms, and in that specificity, is narrowly tailored and more relevant to what we experience in the 2020s.
That’s the beauty of words - you don’t need to reuse the same word for vastly different phenomenon, and by allowing words to have specific meanings, you increase the deftness with which we articulate and discuss the world.
Vastly different? How are they vastly different? It’s the exact same phenomenon with the exact same cause.
what if we all just don’t pay taxes
200% sales tax
If you shoplift, pigs shoot you on sight and get a paid vacation.
I mean, they’re planning to gut the IRS so who would be able to come after us 🤷♀️
Gutting of the IRS is only going to impact the massive headcount needed to go after tge billionaires. They’ll still have plenty of people for the poor people.
This is what no one gets… they already avoided most rich tax frauds cause it was too expensive to fight them in court… getting poor folk is easy.
Way ahead of you.
This will be in effect next tax season I think. This tax season’s policy is already in place
